tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095460459927666416.post1149397986265453712..comments2008-03-19T17:17:30.768-07:00Comments on Thought/Nrao on Industrial Engineering: Industrial Engineering (Human Effort Engineering) – Proposed CurriculumKVSSNraohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05748254811752425330noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095460459927666416.post-20517636809548228922007-07-24T17:16:00.000-07:002007-07-24T17:16:00.000-07:00Sir,One practical suggestion, you can make 4 group...Sir,<BR/>One practical suggestion, you can make 4 groups from current IE batch and ask them to do bench-marking with leading IE programs.<BR/>Groups can focus on leading programs in different regions like US,Europe and Asia(including India). You can ask one group to do survery from current students and alumni on the changes in current curriculum.<BR/><BR/>Regards<BR/>KripaKripahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00440457436141859387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095460459927666416.post-78074964944861653922007-07-22T08:35:00.000-07:002007-07-22T08:35:00.000-07:00Dear Sir,Thanks for your efforts and we commend yo...Dear Sir,<BR/>Thanks for your efforts and we commend you for being the first to engage alumni in a intellectual discussion.<BR/>Also since you have already clarified that you are not advocating course name change so I will not add more on that topic.<BR/>Here is my 2 cents:<BR/>I went throgh your blog and your clarification on making IE unique compared to other desciplines.<BR/>You do have a point that not many descipline focus on the human aspects and focus on this aspect may make our descipline unique. However, the bigger question, is just being unique good enough? If it does not add value to a modern organization then it is of no value irrespective of its uniqueness.<BR/>I believe focus of IE on holistic approach, the hallmark of NITIE, will not only bring value to modern organization but also retain uniqueness of the descipline. I also believe that we should look beyond traditional relam of IE and look for new course which can add value. I think we should introduce some new courses/projects etc which inculcates culture of innovation and enterprenuership. As this is a post-graduate course so just learning descipline is not good enough.<BR/>We should also look at benchmarking ourselves with best in class courses in those desciplines. I believe this will add more value and uniqueness to ourcourses rather focus on a single piece.<BR/><BR/>Regards<BR/>KripaKripahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00440457436141859387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095460459927666416.post-40518777920678021482007-07-16T21:44:00.000-07:002007-07-16T21:44:00.000-07:00Dear Sharma, Raunika, Shirish, Parag and SastryI w...Dear Sharma, Raunika, Shirish, Parag and Sastry<BR/><BR/>I was not in Mumbai for ten days. I resumed duty today only. I thank you for the comments. For some time to come I would like to absorb the views of all of you.<BR/><BR/>One thing that I would like to clarify at this point of time is that I am not advocating change in the name of "Industrial Engineering." I am advocating very strongly for retaining the name of industrial engineering. I am also advocating that every industrial engineer has to make sure that there is an effective industrial engineering department in their company which contributes significantly to the organization, the managers of this department manage their department well, and move into higher managerial positions in the organization both laterally and vertically.<BR/><BR/>That demands a unique role for IE in the business system. In our current definition Man, Machine and Material are prominently mentioned. My argument is that understanding of machine and material is common with engigeers of the specific discipline and understanding of man in a productive activity is the unique knowledge and skill of inudstrial engineer. His involvement or leadership of a production or a service delivery system or a business process is due to his unique understanding of the human factor. If industrial engineers do not have adequate understanding of human factor - its physical and mental abilities and disabilities in productive activities - they are a commodity competing with other management graduates, engineers and people from other disciplines without a proper strategy and battle gear.<BR/><BR/>Let us keep the discussion going. I started the handbook project www.nrao-ie-handbook.blogspot.com to document my views as well as your views on various topics of industrial engineering in a more formal documented manner. I request you to contribute article to the handbook on topics of your choice and liking to reflect your knowledge and experience in this field.<BR/><BR/>thanks once againKVSSNRaohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06910963946568975568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095460459927666416.post-27798682459017766102007-07-12T02:04:00.000-07:002007-07-12T02:04:00.000-07:00Dear Sir, Thanks for the great effort. I feel the ...Dear Sir, Thanks for the great effort. <BR/><BR/>I feel the total irrelevance of the proposed curriculumn, to the Market Perception of an Industrial Engineer of NITIE. In my current organisation, IE means Supply Chain Management, Managing RM PM FG WIP, Optimising the whole chain, IT Enablement of the Supply Chain. <BR/><BR/>We never hire IE for a purpose that outlined in the Proposed curriculum.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for taking up my comments in advance. <BR/><BR/>Regards<BR/>SastrySastryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05714026891393731497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095460459927666416.post-71073664703001774542007-07-10T21:13:00.000-07:002007-07-10T21:13:00.000-07:00Dear Sir,Thanks you for all your effort. After bei...Dear Sir,<BR/><BR/>Thanks you for all your effort. <BR/><BR/>After being in industry for over short span of time of over 6 years I can say that when people look at NITIE they look at people with good business acumen and with strong focus on supply chain and operations skills. With 'Human effort engineering' as a subject we would be diluting the brand that is created for over 40 years now. I would say that this should not be added as a part of Industrial engineering. If student are intrested they can choose as a an elective or can be taken as a part of research/project.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>Parag.paraghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02521062800612460820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095460459927666416.post-17811326918147464952007-07-10T00:24:00.000-07:002007-07-10T00:24:00.000-07:00Dear Sir,With a due respect to your experience and...Dear Sir,<BR/>With a due respect to your experience and work, I am afraid I don't see any relevance of this course for the people coming to IE stream. This course would be best suitable for people who are aspiring to get into research field. Companies coming to NITIE are looking for people who have business acumen and use common sense approach to solve business problems. And I seriously doubt how this course will cater to the needs of industry and students. May be this course will fit into the IIT environment.<BR/><BR/>Regards<BR/>Shirish<BR/>+91-9444214370Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14062843167667950479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095460459927666416.post-41436885084465382312007-07-09T22:08:00.000-07:002007-07-09T22:08:00.000-07:00Dear Sir,I do think the proposed course gives any ...Dear Sir,<BR/><BR/>I do think the proposed course gives any focus on the basic understanding of the business. Today when companies recruit people after post graduation in NITIE, they are not looking specialists in human engineering. If they need a specialist, they will get some consultant to do that for them. They are looking for smart people who are aware of the business drivers with focus on Operations or Supply Chain.I do not think this course meets their needs or the need of students studying in IE. It is ironical how many students sell themselves as MBA's after passing out from IE, just so that the companies know they have a perspective of business and not productivity alone.<BR/><BR/>I would request you to relook at the proposed curriculum and make it more holistic for the business environment.<BR/><BR/>Regards<BR/>RaunikaRaunikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08505340872824980027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095460459927666416.post-86549943340824736132007-06-20T06:21:00.000-07:002007-06-20T06:21:00.000-07:00Dear Sir,I thank you for your effort. I am little ...Dear Sir,<BR/><BR/>I thank you for your effort. <BR/><BR/>I am little confused with the title "Industrial Engineering (Human Effort Engineering)". Is the curriculum mentioned in this blog meant as a replacement to the existing curriculum of IE course? Or a new course called as Industrial Engineering (Human Effort Engineering)is proposed?<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>SharmaNageshwara Mandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150254008872634277noreply@blogger.com